Host Sam Roberts talks with reporter David Chen about how lawmakers in New York, Colorado, Washington, California, and other states are testing the limits of the Supremacy Clause with bills to let residents sue ICE agents, target airline fuel tax breaks, and use other fiscal levers in response to Trump's hard-line immigration push and outrage over ICE killings in Minneapolis. He then speaks with longtime Times journa…
SOURCE: YouTube at 04:05PM on January 30, 2026